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RE: 2012 State Basketball format

Posted 5/3/2011 2:48:00 PM

Well...one transfer does give credence to your statement...



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Posted 5/3/2011 4:22:00 PM

Didn't DeAngelo Casto start at Freeman (a bit bigger, at 1A, but relatively small) before transferring to Ferris?


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Posted 5/3/2011 6:06:00 PM

2B:

I can think of three others right of the top of my head:  Hailey Hendrickson from NWC-C to Lewis and Clark(?), Angela Woods from Shoreline Christian to Edmonds-Woolery, and Isaiah Hamlin from TBS to Franklin Pierce.   I am sure there are others.  I also can't think of even one going the other way (large school to 2B school). 


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Posted 5/4/2011 6:19:00 AM

The count rises. MASS MIGRATION ALERT!



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Posted 5/4/2011 11:33:00 AM

Didn't say it was a mass migration, only that far more talent left small privates for large publics than transfer to small privates from publics in response to the notion that privates get to pick and choose in their urban environment. And I've asked for years: what impact private school players transferred from large urban schools after the start of high school. I can only think of one and he started at Kings, transferred out his sophomore year after moving farther away from Kings and then transferred back his senior year after moving back closer to Kings' location. I'm not saying there isn't an advantage to being located in a large population area, only that the notion that they get to pick from the talent pool like picking sides in gym isn't how it works.



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Posted 5/4/2011 3:50:00 PM

Frankly, it doesn't appear that it "works" too often either way.



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RE: 2012 State Basketball format

Posted 7/13/2011 10:15:00 PM

State Tournament

Official Statement on WIAA Decision Regarding 2012 State Basketball Tournaments

STATEMENT

In response to the WIAA Executive Board meeting held on April 17th and 18th, the Washington Interscholastic Basketball Coaches Association is beyond disappointed with the decision of continuing the current regional/state tournament format for 2012. As stated in our original statement after the March 29th meeting, WIBCA members in attendance walked away with a sense that the issues, concerns and ideas, as generated by our membership body, were heard and would provide for a positive change to better the current format of regional/state basketball tournaments while still making the necessary changes required by the WIAA.

After the decision to only separate the boys and girls on opposite days and change the format to single elimination, on April 18th, we feel strongly that the WIAA continues to lessen the experience of state basketball tournaments and is not making the positive experience for the student-athlete a paramount issue, and it appears to be last on the list. WIBCA presented our main prioritized issues to the WIAA staff and Executive Board on two different occasions. Based upon the most recent decision, none of these issues were factored in when making changes. WIBCA feels that this regional format will again lessen the state tournament experience and does little to address the multitude of issues and concerns our membership brought forth. WIBCA has put in many hours and manpower into surveys, meetings, communication, and collation of data and feedback and feels that the WIAA put little of it to use.

The voices of coaches, players, families and fans are clearly not being heard.

WIBCA

WHAT YOU CAN DO

Coaches are asking what they can do in response to our WIBCA Statement on the changes to the WIAA State Basketball Tournaments.

What we need you to do is all or any of the following:

1. Contact your local media sources and voice or write of your concerns and disappointment at the WIAA decision on state tournaments

2. Have parents of your players do the same

3. Have your players do the same

4. Purchase 16!/Bring It Back T-shirts-(Contact Nalin Sood for more information.

5. Contact your building AD and voice your displeasure

6. Contact your superintendent voice your concerns and disappointment.

7. Contact your principal voice your concerns and disappointment

8. Contact your district AD voice your concerns and disappointment

9. Contact your local WIAA Executive Board member…or all of them and write/voice your displeasure

10. Contact Mike Colbrese, Executive Director of the WIAA and voice your displeasure

11. Rally coaches in your area to do all of the above

 

 

ISSUES & FACTS

  • The 2010-11 WIAA State Tournament eliminated the State experience for 96 boys and girls teams and replaced it with regionals. The current WIAA change for 2011-12 increases the “one and done” regional experience from 48 to 96. Teams who experienced “one and done” this year were very disappointed in the quality of this experience.
  • Regionals, with Xeroxed programs in high school gyms, is a poor substitute for the State experience. Next year’s one day regional promises to be even worse.
  • In 2009-10 (last 16 team tourney), the WIAA’s net profit was $328,525 (excluding sponsorships). In 2010-11 WIAA netted $480,903. That isover $10,000 per participating team. The new tournament’s increased profit was $152,376 (excluding sponsorship fees). Yes, it was more profitable- at the expense of those players and school communities shut out of the State experience.
  • The profit was based almost entirely on lowering costs. With half the regional games eliminated, the 2011-12 low overhead tournament promises to be even more profitable. There is a great cost for these increased profits: the quality of the experience!
  • Last year the WIAA cut the State tournament without any input from boys or girls basketball coaches. This year they met with both boys and girls coaches and both groups agreed that a 16 team state tournament (single elimination first day) would give 96 teams a State experience and would eliminate the distasteful regional experience. The changed format does not reflect any consideration to the input given by boys and girls coaches.
  • The WIAA is boasting enough excess profits that they may institute a revenue sharing plan for member schools. Not the actions of a cash-strapped organization that continues to compromise the quality of basketball player’s post season experience for excess profits! How much excess is enough? What future changes will the post season face and how much profit is enough?
  • 81.9% displeasure rate on the WIAA survey. Similar negative percentage response with WIBCA survey conducted at 2011 All State Games.
  • On March 29th, the WIAA and their Executive Director misled representatives of WIBCA by presenting a 16-team modified double elimination "state site" tournament to all in attendance. Further the Executive Director asked all in attendance if they supported the presented format. WIBCA unanimously supported it. It has been later determined that the 16-team tournament would never be considered for this upcoming year by the WIAA Executive Board since it was the second year of a two-year cycle. The Executive Director of the WIAA intentionally misled WIBCA members at this meeting.
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Posted 7/15/2011 9:35:00 AM

Grrrrrr....




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Posted 7/18/2011 1:13:00 PM

From what I've been able to gather the increase in profits was at the expense of district and school profits from cross over revenue and shifting costs from the WIAA to membership schools. In short, the WIAA increased its revenue by making districts run the 'regionals' but taking all the receipts and decreasing its costs by substitution of their venue and operating costs for school and fan travel and attendance costs.   
 
It’s taken a lot of figure’n to first get costs off the WIAA books and back on the districts, schools and fans and then to crunch the numbers so that the new format would appear a fiscal improvement.  All why not decreasing the total WIAA budget.  I kind of do that for a living, figuring costs that is, and really this is pretty masterful figuring. I think Mr. Colbrese deserves a raise just base on WIAA numbers alone.


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Posted 7/20/2011 8:16:00 AM

81.9% displeasure rate on the WIAA survey. Similar negative percentage response with WIBCA survey conducted at 2011 All State Games.

We need to hunt down and eliminate the 18.1% that swayed the WIAA!



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Posted 8/12/2011 5:10:00 PM

By the numbers for selected schools:
1B Northport-Travel to Mountlake Terrace HS:389 miles one way=778 miles round trip+3 nights hotel. And, since they did what the WIAA wants, played their best, they won, so that gets them 105 miles to Spokane for 3 days. 6 trips=630miles. That is 1408 miles total, 3 nights in a hotel for team, managers, and bus driver, and 6 total days is approx. 15 meals per person (assuming they had a few home-cooked meals)
 
2B Entiat Girls-Travel To Mark Morris HS: 270 miles one way, a loss, a night in a hotel, and a trip home. So, they had to travel a total rd trip of 540 miles to play a team that is 20 miles away-and lose. 540 miles and a hotel cost for a loss. And giving the best PG in the whole state 1A and below only 1 game to prove her worth, and not even in the Spokane Arena where scouts might see what she's worth? Way to build futures!

Brewster boys traveled to Spokane to lose, on the same night their girls were in Wenatchee. System is broke, sorry guys.


Nice one 2B.




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Posted 9/4/2011 9:45:00 AM

WIAA = sucks !! 

We need to write letters to the folks sponsoring this stuff.( Les Swab, dairy farms).  I bet these folks would get it together if there money started getting pinched.

I ern't a real smart man but I know most things in sports have a lot to do with money, WIAA may be a non-profit but someone is making some money or they would not be wasting there time with high school sports.


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Posted 9/4/2011 11:57:00 AM

Non-proft just means you're not distributing dividends to shareholders (basically; I'm sure an accountant could do some better 'splainin)...doesn't mean the folks running the show aren't making a decent buck.

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